Daniel 7: A Cloudy Day of the LORD

Within Christian circles, a common interpretation of Daniel 7:13 is this one “coming with the clouds” must be Jesus at the time of his second coming; however, upon reading the text in context as well as with nearly every other prophecy made by the prophets, we learn much about this particular cloudy day as well as who emerges.

I submit to you today that this sentiment of one coming with the clouds may not be Jesus victoriously floating in the cloudy air coming down to earth to rule and reign as some imagine, but more like a person emerging from the ashes or smoke upon the smoldering day of the LORD as the prophets frequently describe.

We know in the final moments of this earth and this heaven, there will come a time when Israel is surrounded and attacked, but God literally and physically saves them from annihilation (see Zechariah 12, as one example). We also see in numerous prophecies written by more than two or three witnesses, being the prophets of Tanakh/the Hebrew Bible, words like earthquakes, fire, burning, melting, dissolve, stubble, blazing, steam, and clouds are all used to describe the great and terrible day of the LORD. Furthermore, we see in Isaiah 45:22 Israel’s sins are forgiven like a cloud covering their transgressions from the sight of the LORD.

How does the LORD prefer for His people and the earth to be cleansed throughout the Hebrew Bible? By water and fire – think about the great flood in Noah’s day or washing the hands before various rituals of the Jewish people or being ritually made clean in a mikvah before the feasts of the LORD and other lifetime events (where baptism came from), as well as the burnt offerings using fire and smoke, a sweet-smelling aroma to the LORD. Now consider the LORD previously used water to cleanse or create a new earth, but this time, He will use primarily fire since He already promised not to flood the entire globe at once; hence, the symbol of the rainbow for that covenant. Many Christians understand this concept as even Peter wrote about it in 2 Peter 3:7-13.

Therefore, it should not be too difficult to comprehend this terminology used in Daniel 7:13 as one “coming with the clouds” is referencing one emerging from the smoke or ashes. Review the previous verses in Daniel 7, specifically verses 9 as it references a “fiery flame”, a “burning fire”, or in verse 10, “a fiery stream..” or verse 11 referencing a “burning flame” all leading up to this one coming with the clouds.

Also, notice in these plethora of passages, they all reference an unbelievable amount of destruction using the fire and earthquake or possibly nuclear related terminology described previously (see Isaiah 24:3-6, 13, 18-23, 44:22-25; Haggai 2:6-7; Zechariah 14; Joel 2:2; Ezekiel 30:3, 34:12, 38:18-23, Malachi 4:1-3; Zephaniah 1:14-18, 3:8; Amos 5:18-20; Jeremiah 30:23-24). Nearly every prophet describes the same or similar event.

Is it not possible this earth-shattering epic event full of fire would not create much smoke-filled clouds? Having lived near the gas and oil refineries in the Galveston Bay area of Texas, it was not unusual for explosions to erupt causing smoke-filled plumes of clouds in the sky. Now, consider how at this same time throughout Scripture, the prophets also speak to a resurrection of the dead, specifically all of Israel, all twelve tribes, and the miraculous reunion of both houses of Israel (see Jeremiah 29-31; Ezekiel 34-37) as God forms a New Jerusalem centered in the New Earth and New Heavens (see the article I wrote, “Are We Raptured to Heaven?” ).

While understanding all of Israel is resurrected as promised by the LORD regathering them to the land of Israel no matter where in the world they were scattered and died, then the LORD washes them/us clean and dispenses His Spirit of Holiness onto them (see Ezekiel 11:19-20; 36:27), ponder the plausibility of literally David also being resurrected to rule and reign as the prophets reference numerous times in Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24; Jeremiah 30:9; Isaiah 9:7; Hosea 3:5. Notice in Daniel 7:14 and 18, just after describing one who comes within the clouds, that it speaks to one who will rule the reunited kingdom matching what the previous references state as well fulfilling God’s Davidic Covenant or covenant made with King David. Equally interesting is that Ezekiel 34:12 references a cloudy destructive day and then a few verses later also refers to David being made King in Ezekiel 34:23-24.

Due to all of the overwhelming discussion in the Hebrew Bible of said events, it is my conclusion and belief that Daniel 7 is referencing one, specifically King David, emerging from the smoke-filled plumes of clouds due to the fiery day of the LORD, to rule and reign along with the rest of “the saints of the Most High” being Israel (Daniel 7:18), while God’s presence encompasses the newly formed New Jerusalem, New Earth, New Heavens, and activates the promised New Covenant (Ezekiel 36:27, 37:26-28; Jeremiah 29-31; Isaiah 2, 11, 51,59:16-62:12; Micah 4; Zechariah 14).

Just as Daniel foretells, a cloudy day of the LORD indeed appears to be in the forecast.

Carrie R. Turner, 9.7.2020

False Teachings Spreading Fast During Coronavirus

In recent days, I have seen various social media posts and videos spreading false teachings all in the Name of Jesus during this coronavirus pandemic. I wanted to take a few moments to remind readers that the Holy Spirit will never speak against God’s Holy documented voice found in the Bible. So as you come across various voices online and in person, be aware there is a spiritual, highly-contagious virus spreading during this coronavirus pandemic that you need to spiritually distance yourself from. Let’s go over some important truths that apply to this plague as well as other events like hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, war, etc.

  1. God does not change, we do. He was the same yesterday as He is today. He and His nature were the same thousands of years ago as He is today and will be tomorrow. In other words, truth is absolute and does not change or it was never truth from the start. Some “prophetic” voices with large followers are teaching God changed how He operates since the cross. Let’s look to see what God says about Himself and how He operates then and now.

“For I am the LORD, I do not change…” Malachi 3:6

“God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken and will He not make it good?” Numbers 23:19

“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines…” Hebrews 13:8-9

2. Some are quoting passages like Psalm 91, Isaiah 54’s “No weapon formed against you shall prosper” as well as quoting 1 John 4:17-19 while glazing over critical contextual elements connected to these blessings as a means to thwart this plague from affecting them. I have another article called “Community Spread | Community Cooperation” addressing Psalm 91 and Isaiah 54, but wanted to touch on the quote from 1 John 4. The entire book of 1st John describes true love as obeying God’s commands. The author reiterates over and over again that you can distinguish those who are authentic believers abiding in God verses those who aren’t by who is and isn’t cheerfully, willfully obeying God’s laws, which ultimately defines how to love God and others (to list a few: 1 John 3:4, 7, 10, 22, 24, 4:12, 20, 21; 5:3). In fact, 1 John 3:4 defines sin as those who break God’s laws. So by the time the author arrives up to the verses being commonly quoted during this pandemic in 1 John 4:17-19, it is understood that believers do not have to be afraid of God’s judgment because they are operating in perfect love by being living sacrifices laying down their flesh to a lifestyle of loving obedience to God’s commands, which ultimately loves God and others. This is why we don’t have to fear. It has nothing to do with other circumstances and isn’t a magic charm to protect you from God’s discipline or judgment. Conversely, it would be more enlightening and productive to quote 1 John 3:22 in regards to this pandemic:

“And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.” I John 3:22

Furthermore, the verses to follow the misquoted passage of “There is no fear in love” yet again how God defines love as obeying His commands and why we need not fear (see 1 John 5:3). We need not fear because we are obeying God’s commands, which are pretty easy and hopefully, most Christians are doing without even thinking about it. If you aren’t obeying God, well then you are not being perfected in love and yes, you should fear very much.

3. God is always in control and Creator, who often sends and/or allows what we perceive as evil, unfortunate, or bad to judge, discipline, mature, and potentially bless His people depending on their cooperation as well as make Himself clearly known and seen. This is 2020 afterall. A timely year to adjust all of our vision to focus on God!

Furthermore, God intentionally sends or allows disease, war/captivity, famine, or “natural” disasters or “acts of God” like earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, various storms, etc. as a means to judge, discipline, test and or mature people- namely, those who believe in Him, as well as to get people where He needs them to be for His purposes and glory. He even creates and allow such disasters to bless people! From the beginning of the Bible to the end, the top 4 events the LORD intentionally sends is: disease, war/captivity, famine, and ravaging beasts (Leviticus 26; Deuteronomy 28-30; Read the various books of the Prophets; Book of Job; Matthew 24-26; Luke 21; Revelation 6-11) . Moreover, He creates and allows such events as a means to make Himself known to those who don’t know Him and/or those who claim to know Him, but refuse to listen and obey Him, or to mature and bless those who do intimately know Him, His word, and obey it.

So please stop spreading the lie that this virus cannot be from God and is the doing of Satan. Why would we as worshipers of the One True Living God give Satan so much power, credit, and glory? Please, for the sake of everyone, and especially yourselves, stop spreading such spiritual viruses and instead study the following passages as a few examples while remembering even Satan had and still has to get permission from God to have any power on this earth (Job 1:6-12) so regardless, such events are still from God while others like Satan or King Nebuchadnezzar (Jeremiah 43:10-13) do God’s bidding.

“I am the LORD, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me; I will gird you, though you have not known Me, that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting, that there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.” Isaiah 45:5-7

“But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive. Now, therefore, do not be afraid..” Genesis 50:20-21

“But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not let the children of Israel go.” Exodus 11:20

“Thus Israel saw the great work which the LORD had done in Egypt; so the people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD and His servant Moses.” Exodus 14:31

“I will walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people..But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments, and if you despise My judgments, so that you do not perform all My commandments, but break My covenant, I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume…I will set My face against you, and you shall be defeated by your enemies…Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven more plagues, according to your sins….when I have cut off your supply of bread…I will lay your cities waste…” Leviticus 26

“But I will spare a few of their men from the sword, from famine, and from pestilence, that they may declare all their abominations among the Gentiles wherever they go. Then they shall know that I am the LORD.” Ezekiel 12:16

3. Contrary to the teachings of many false prophets and teachers, God still judges or chastens people – particularly His own. To not do so, would be a neglectful Father. Believers have a stricter judgment than non-believers, because we intentionally or unintentionally vainly bear His name (see Ten Commandments- Exodus 20:7), which means we do not represent Him as we ought to a dying, dark world. Tough love is still true love. Additionally, in the end, we all will be judged for everything we have done. So please do not fall for the blatant lie that we no longer will be held accountable nor have to repent ever again for our behavior (upon believing Jesus died on the cross) for God says otherwise over and over again. In addition to the following examples, read all of Hebrews 10.

“For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?” 1 Peter 4:17

“For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment…” (then why do you think you will not be judged too?) 2 Peter 2:4

” ‘My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives.’ If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.” Hebrews 12:5-8

“For whom the LORD loves He corrects, just as a father the son in whom he delights.” Proverbs 3:12

“For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ…So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.” Romans 14:11-12

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing therefore, the terror of the LORD, we persuade men..” 2 Corinthians 5:10-11

“Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent…He who overcomes…and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life..” Revelation 3:3-5 (Why is Jesus telling believers to repent if they aren’t held accountable after believing in Him? And why is He threatening to remove believers from the Book of Life if they fail to change their behavior?)

“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every one according to his work.” Revelation 22:12

Lastly, if you want to pray Psalm 91 over you and your household or annoint one another or your home, fine, please do so. However, in the event this plague does come to your household, despite your prayers or even your diligent obedient faith, please do not get frustrated with God since a plethora of false “prophetic” voices promised you otherwise reading the idols of your heart or telling you what you want to hear as they did in Jeremiah and Ezekiel’s day too possibly further provoking God’s discipline on themselves and others (read Jeremiah 14, 20, 23, 28-30; Ezekiel 13-14). Instead, trust the Father’s intention for you and your loved ones and ask Him what those intentions are – How is He using this virus in 2020 to remove specks from our eyes? He told His people over and over again (in the Bible) after declaring the above mentioned judgments, He has a plan in it all (Jeremiah 29) and also, through this trying time, let us remember Romans 8:28.

May shalom fill your heart and home during this pandemic and others events to come. Trust God.